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Short Sales Revisited

October 6, 2011 by Blue Ridge Leader filed under Columns, Real Estate Ticker No Comments
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By Carl Fisher

As first a real estate agent, then a principal broker, serving this community for the past twenty- three years, I’ve had the pleasure of helping many people move forward with their lives, through making changes in their real estate holding. Be it a rental, a move-up buy-sell, or a pre-retirement sale, each has provided me with a great opportunity to help others adapt to new realities as it suited their needs.

But none of these “normal” transactions can hold a candle to the mental, physical, and emotional demands of a “Short Sale”!

For one thing, most folks confronted with the need to “sell short”, are generally doing so against their will. And though, on occasion, they are simply reaping fruits of the financial seeds they had sown, in the past three years, a great many “good people” just got mauled by the dominoes of a reality imposed upon them by circumstances they did not necessarily create.
So feeling “out of control”, they delay taking any action until often, they act too late.

If you owe more on your home than you can possibly pay right now, you need to step back and consider “Am I in over my head?”.

If you have completely missed, or made only a partial payment on your mortgage (first OR 2nd trust, or equity line), and failed to “catch up” completely (read “interest, late fees, and penalty”), you may have already triggered a process that just gets worse as time goes by.

And if all you have on your side is common sense and an appeal to reasonableness, you may be on the front end of what I call a “Learning Experience”.

To make matters worse, the skill sets most residential real estate agents have lived by for most of their years in the business are NOT the specific skills now required to resolve your present dilemma.

Let me explain.

Typically, in days gone by, a responsible owner faced with a difficult financial situation that is affecting his ability to pay his mortgage, would simply contact his local lender, tell his story, and respectfully work with the bank to figure out how to remedy the problem.

Not so today.

Since many of the residential mortgages originated in the past five years were “sliced and diced” then packaged as

“Collateralized Debt Obligations” (CDOs), and ultimately sold to investors all over the world, the party they must deal with to remedy their non-performing loan issue is not their local bank, but rather a “loan servicer”.

And you’d probably be surprised to learn that the longer your loan stays delinquent, and the more “needs” you have to get your issues resolved, the more money that loan servicer gets to bill the holder of the note for the “services” he renders.

Their goals and yours, ARE NOT ALIGNED!

So finally you decide to reach out to someone in the real estate community for assistance…. And here’s where it gets a bit tricky.

First off, that agent needs to know what type of loan you have (VA, FHA, Conventional) and if
there is mortgage insurance on these loans.

Then, he needs to know the magical formulas the various loan servicer’s “Asset Disposition” agents use to determine what they can, or will, do about it. There are many “box canyons”, or dead ends in this process; all of which simply add to time lost as the foreclosure clock ticks away.

You may need to be “pre-approved” for a Short Sale before you enter into any agreement. To simply put your house on the market without that pre-approval only drives you back to square one and then you start all over again.

And if you have a first and 2nd trust (or equity line), you surely need to know which of the two creditors you reach out to first. It makes a difference. If the 2nd trust gets “wiped out” if the house goes to auction, why waste time negotiating with him when his decision has little impact on your final outcome?

In this market, what you don’t know can, and likely will, cost you. Because while you are in the process of figuring out how to go about your short sale, the foreclosure clock has already begun to tick. And THAT clock takes precedence over any short-sale effort you may initiate.

Where are you in this process right now? Can a short sale be accomplished to the benefit of all parties? Absolutely!

I’ve done it many times. But the process will require the utmost patience, confidence, understanding, and trust between the distressed owner and his agent. It’s not like any other process I have experienced in all of my years in this business. So take a deep breath and do what you need to do for yourself and your family. I can help.

Call me anytime to discuss your options.

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Village at Leesburg presents a music concert series. Come listen to various artists on Saturday July 19th, Saturday August 2nd, Saturday August 9th, Saturday August 16th, Saturday August 30th, Sunday August 31st, and Monday September 1st at Village at Leesburg in Fountain Court. There will be performances by Paul Pfau & Connor Pledger (R&B former The Voice contestants), Julian Roso (Acoustic Pop), Todd Wright Band (Alternative Pop Covers), Poorhouse Rd (Americana Blues), Music Bone (Electric Rock/Jazz), Gina de Simone & The Moaners (Swing/Dance), AJ Sith & The Apollo (Indie Rock) on alternating nights. For the full music schedule please visit villageatleesburg.com

Acoustic on the Green Presents Two-Time Grammy Award Winner Jon Carroll

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Jon Carroll’s long and diverse career has garnered him recognition in the Washington, D.C. area. He is a multiple Wammie winner (Washington Area Music Association) as a vocalist, player and songwriter as well as national notoriety and a two-time Grammy award winner with Starland Vocal Band (“Afternoon Delight”) for his vocal arranging and as Best New Artist. Additionally, in 2011 the Washington Area Music Association named Carroll Musician of the Year, Songwriter of the Year and Pop Rock Instrumentalist of the Year. After recording five albums with Starland Vocal Band, he worked with a myriad of artists, penned two musicals and had his songs recorded by artists such as Linda Ronstadt, Tom Jones and Kenny Rogers. He released recently his first solo album in over a decade, “Love Returns.” For more information on Carroll, visit http://www.joncarroll.org/home.html.

Free and open to the public. Picnics are encouraged. Please no smoking, alcoholic beverages or pets. For more information, visit http://www.acousticonthegreen.com or info@acousticonthegreen.com or call 703-737-7144.

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August 11, 2014

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FREE Live Music - Adam Bruno

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Singer/songwriter Adam Bruno is a Tampa native, now living in Loudoun County. Adam has a powerful, soulful sound, blending all the best of pop, rock and acoustic music. His melody-driven songs and thoughtful lyrics make you an immediate fan!

Notaviva Vineyards will have wine for purchase by bottle or glass to any customers 21 years of age or older. Lite snacks are also available for purchase, or feel free to bring your own lunch and enjoy a picnic while listening to the tunes of Adam Bruno

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Village at Leesburg presents a music concert series. Come listen to various artists on Saturday July 19th, Saturday August 2nd, Saturday August 9th, Saturday August 16th, Saturday August 30th, Sunday August 31st, and Monday September 1st at Village at Leesburg in Fountain Court. There will be performances by Paul Pfau & Connor Pledger (R&B former The Voice contestants), Julian Roso (Acoustic Pop), Todd Wright Band (Alternative Pop Covers), Poorhouse Rd (Americana Blues), Music Bone (Electric Rock/Jazz), Gina de Simone & The Moaners (Swing/Dance), AJ Sith & The Apollo (Indie Rock) on alternating nights. For the full music schedule please visit villageatleesburg.com

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August 20, 2014

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FREE VAL Lawn Chair or Picnic Blanket for the first 50 families each week! Check out your film favorites at our NEW summer outdoor movie series. Grab refreshments from your favorite VAL restaurant, bring your own lawn chair and have fun! Go to VillageAtLeesburg.com for full schedule. For inclement weather updates, visit Facebook.com/VillageAtLeesburg. One giveaway per family, while quantities last.

  • August 20  – Frozen (sing along) PG  108 mins

 

 

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August 20, 2014

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Come enjoy free movie screenings at Village at Leesburg. July 23rd Despicable Me (Rated PG) will be shown. August 6th will be the winning fan favorite vote. Choices are: Superman (original-Rated PG), Willy Wonka (Rated G), Surf's Up (Rated PG), and Smurfs (Rated PG). Vote on Facebook!August 20th Frozen (Rated PG) will be shown. Free event chair or picnic blanket will be given to the first 50 families!

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Artful August

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August 23, 2014

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Village at Leesburg presents the 2nd annual juried Art Show. Free Application. Free display space. Free contest entry. Submit up to five (5) artworks for judging by jury and show attendees for The People's Choice Awards. Free festival for all! July 3rd applications are opened, artists will be notified of acceptance within 14 days of application. Jury selected winners will be announced August 23rd at 6:30 PM.  August 20th People's Choice winners will be announced. For more information please visit villageatleesburg.com/artfulaugust

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Village at Leesburg presents a music concert series. Come listen to various artists on Saturday July 19th, Saturday August 2nd, Saturday August 9th, Saturday August 16th, Saturday August 30th, Sunday August 31st, and Monday September 1st at Village at Leesburg in Fountain Court. There will be performances by Paul Pfau & Connor Pledger (R&B former The Voice contestants), Julian Roso (Acoustic Pop), Todd Wright Band (Alternative Pop Covers), Poorhouse Rd (Americana Blues), Music Bone (Electric Rock/Jazz), Gina de Simone & The Moaners (Swing/Dance), AJ Sith & The Apollo (Indie Rock) on alternating nights. For the full music schedule please visit villageatleesburg.com

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Donna Clark "Mindscapes"

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August 31, 2014

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 August 31 - September 28, 2014, “Donna Clark - Mindscapes” A unique solo exhibit by acclaimed regional artist Donna Clark.  “I paint in series - images that are not place specific.  I consider them personal dreamlike mindscapes of imagined locations in my natural world.”  The public is invited to an opening reception on Sunday, September 7, 5:00 - 7:00PM.  In addition, Clark will demonstrate her distinctive painting technique on September 14 at 2:00PM.  This is a great opportunity to watch her paint and ask questions of this very talented artist.

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Village at Leesburg presents a music concert series. Come listen to various artists on Saturday July 19th, Saturday August 2nd, Saturday August 9th, Saturday August 16th, Saturday August 30th, Sunday August 31st, and Monday September 1st at Village at Leesburg in Fountain Court. There will be performances by Paul Pfau & Connor Pledger (R&B former The Voice contestants), Julian Roso (Acoustic Pop), Todd Wright Band (Alternative Pop Covers), Poorhouse Rd (Americana Blues), Music Bone (Electric Rock/Jazz), Gina de Simone & The Moaners (Swing/Dance), AJ Sith & The Apollo (Indie Rock) on alternating nights. For the full music schedule please visit villageatleesburg.com

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17 Jul 2014

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The Bluemont Concert Series is proud to present Susan Greenbaum on Saturday, July 26 for the last of our four Saturday evening concerts in Middleburg. The concert begins at 7:30 p.m. The Middleburg concerts are now held at the Middleburg Community Center baseball field, located at 300 West Washington Street. Admission is $5 per person, $4 for Bluemont Friends and …

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Woodgrove High School Debate Camp

15 Jul 2014

Ms. Purvis’s WHS Debate Team is conducting a debate camp this summer from August 4 through August 8. It will be held each day from 8:00 to 11:30 a.m. at Woodgrove High School and is open to students who will be attending Woodgrove HS or Loudoun Valley HS. The purpose of the camp is to introduce aspiringdebaters to the art …

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Wild Loudoun

Fireflies – Green Sequins Of The Night

3 Jul 2014

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I don’t usually start my Wild Loudoun column by sharing information about the scientific classification into which a given plant, animal or insect falls. But, in the case of the firefly, it’s too fun not too … Fireflies are part of an insect family known as Lampyridae … as in “lamp.” Of course they are, you say. Firefly larva – …

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Around Virginia

VDOE Names Chief Academic Officer

Superintendent of Public Instruction Steven R. Staples today announced that John William “Billy” Haun of Charlottesville will become the Virginia Department of Education’s chief academic officer, taking the position of assistant superintendent of instruction on September 1. “I am delighted that Billy is bringing his knowledge, leadership and innovative ideas …

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LaRock Appointed to Joint Commission on Technology and Science

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Speaker of the House William Howell has appointed Delegate Dave LaRock as a member of the Joint Commission on Technology and Science (JCOTS), effective immediately and lasting for the duration of his term in the House of Delegates. The Commission meets several times throughout the year to “Study all aspects …

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Virginia Earns Top Special Education Rating from U.S. Department of Education

Virginia is one of only 18 states and territories earning a “meets requirements” designation under the US Department of Education’s (USED) new results-driven accountability model for rating state compliance with the federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Previously in rating states, USED focused on procedural requirements such as timelines …

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Sports

Ida Lee NFL Flag Football League Registration Ends July 28

20 Jul 2014

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Registration for the Fall 2014 NFL Flag Football league is currently ongoing for boys and girls, ages six to 14, and spots are filling fast. To secure a spot in the league, participants must register by Monday, July 28, 2014. The Ida Lee NFL Flag Football League is the premier …

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Lady Vikings Claim District Lacrosse Title

3 Jun 2014

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By Mac Shuford The Loudoun Valley girls lacrosse team beat Woodgrove 10-7 on May 22 for the district championship. It was a hard fought victory and a long time coming as Valley had never beaten Woodgrove until this game, having narrowly lost last year’s district and regional Titles in the …

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Letters

Good News – Virginia Budget Passed

3 Jul 2014

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I hope folks have heard the good news that Virginia has passed a two-year budget, and passed it without allowing our new governor to force …

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T-Mac Does an O’Bama

24 Jun 2014

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Everyone by now has heard that the Virginia Legislature was able to pass a budget without medicaid expansion. This has infuriated the Governor who has …

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De-couple Medicaid Expansion from the Commonwealth’s Budget

11 Jun 2014

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At a September 25, 2103, debate sponsored by the Fairfax Chamber of Commerce, then Mr. McAuliffe declared, “No budget will be shut down in Virginia …

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